. >> but a secret, if you need to keep a secret, you don't care in the nsa reads your e-mails because now you don't have anything to hide. >> so now you're switching sides on this issue? >> i guess. i don't know. i'm playing your role. i'm going to argue both sides of the issue. >> was the supreme court justice in the past that said it is my patriotic duty. >> but i understand the tax idea of tax avoidance is better than -- >> that sounds like it is not tax avoidance, that is tax evasion. if you're avoiding the taxes, it should be able to with stand -- >> it might be satisfying just to do it so they can't see. even if you're not breaking the law. >> by itself, it doesn't sound that bad. but when you combine it with the nsa reading the e-mails and you get into the long arm of the law -- >> no, i'm in favor of this. i'm in favor of the fed going after this because i think in order for taxation to work, that everybody should be held up to the same laws. you can find about what those tax laws should be, but you -- whatever the law of the land is what we all have to live under that rule. >